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Calling all CPU performance geeks...

So I've got this Shuttle SN41G2 (version 1.0)

Over the years it's undergone many upgrades. It's current form is two 1 gig sticks of 400mhz high end memory, a 6800GT OC 256 nvidia card, and a 2700+ XP chip.

So I start reading about what it would take to stuff at 3000 or 3200 into it. I'm swathed with the usaual amount of information, only this time it's got an extra bite. The motherboard supports 400mhz memory, but only a 333mhz FSB. I'm shown various thngs like:


And I'm told I can force the motherboard to do a 400mhz FSB.
And I'm like.. ok.. I can resolder. I can do this. But .. wtf. Wait. What the hell do I have in this thing, and as usual, what kind of gains can I even expect? This isn't for bragging rights, this is for performance in gaming.

Herein lies the questions that google seems hesitant to offer

What should I do?
What's the difference between an AMD Thoroughbreed and an AMD Barton, besides the cache size?
In the past, L1 and L2 cache were the NAME OF THE GAME when it came to performance. I see a Barton with half a meg and a Thoroughbreed with 256k. Isn't that alone, Mhz for Mhz, worth a huge increase in performance?
Do they make 333mhz 3200+ AMD chips? I see some for sale but... c'mon. Is that just a "oops, typo, sorry. Here's your 2200+ sorry NO REFUNDS!!"

When did I miss all these different names of Athlon XP processors? I thought an XP was an XP. Last name I heard before now was the thunderbird.

Anyone who's an expert at this stuff please chime in ... I am in need of some uber-performance-god education.

This is by far the most-upgraded system I've ever had in my life. It started out as an 1800+ and is running nearly double that, has gone through several chip revisions, and outlived two video cards. I'm amazed it can take something made today and not only use it, but use it WELL. So. Is the next step available or have I finally hit the wall?
- Keman


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Jun. 21st, 2005 09:46 pm (UTC)
I got a athlon 2000 plus a radeon 9800 256 MB..its not the omgwtfbbq but it plays secondlife ^^
Jun. 21st, 2005 09:58 pm (UTC)
The spooge in SL is smoother and looks better with OMFGURSYSTEMRUUULLEZ!!!1111 ...


Also keep in mind I run 1600x1200 flat panels, I run them in native resolution for everything, so everything I do takes a lotta horsepower to run "as fast" as a lot of folks running 1024x768 etc.


Battlefield 2 is about to fall into my paws. >:)

- Keman
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Jun. 21st, 2005 10:17 pm (UTC)
Honestly heat isn't really a problem.

The shuttle is a rather amusing system, which from your note it sounds like you've not seen before.

It's a 1' cube. Two drive bays, a motherboard that's smaller than some peoples video cards (very proprietary, not upgradeable), one AGP slot, one PCI slot. And back in 2001, it had this:

333mhz fsb
dual channel 400mhz DDR memory slots
support for 3000+ AMD XP processors
onboard dual VGA out with nvidia MX440
onboard firewire, usb 2.0, fiber optic audio out, nForce hardware audio.

It presently cooks along with one of the fastest video cards made that sucks so much power it uses an aux. power connector to run it, and a 2700+ processor cooking along.

It uses heatpipe technology to transport 100% of the heat from the processor to a radiator in the back. There are no fins over the processor, and as such all heat generated from it is expelled out the back of the case instead of cooking everything inside the tiny box.

Oh and it does this all with a 200 watt power supply and runs rock stable for many months on end. It's incredibly fast for a machine, it makes no compromises for it's size.

Give up yet? This little machine defys the odds ... and it's still got upgrade potential.

- Keman
Jun. 21st, 2005 10:38 pm (UTC)
Ahh hell.

You're right.

I shouldn't even bother with the Shuttle anymore.

Since my video card is "rented" from where I purchased it from (23 days remaining until it gets returned) I could just get a PCI-X model next time.

Rather than buy an XP processor, I could go with an Athlon 64 + Motherboard combo.

Toss that and the shuttles memory into my "slow" machines standard ATX case. Toss it's memory into the shuttle. Toss it's slower FX5600 video card into the Shuttle.

And proceed to get into the 3400+ range for $299 with a dual SLI potential setup so that later I can upgrade even further with a second video card, doubling the performance.


I hate the upgrade bug.

- Keman
Jun. 21st, 2005 10:49 pm (UTC)
I'd go with the athlon 64+new mobo. (and possibly bigger PSU).

It's not really worth upgrading an athlon XP with another athlon XP..
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