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Apparently there was some voting for primarys today in virginia.

Of course, I'm not taking a part in it. I don't vote.

Interesting though that some people have countered this with "Well if you don't vote, don't complain when someone you don't like gets elected."

That logic is flawed of course. If they are elected by 1 more person than another candidate, then yes, that is true. Also, if I convince others not to vote, that logic could also apply.

But since neither occur, I can not vote, and complain about who gets voted on all I want.
In the end, it boils down to a simple rationale. Why should I try to influence the area I live in when my desires and opinions are so far in the minority? I do not have the values my peers do. And I don't just mean about being gay. It goes far beyond that. So I don't want to take a part in things and I think the people around me don't _want_ me to take a part ... so I won't.

- Keman

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dogcandy
Jun. 14th, 2005 07:49 pm (UTC)
I'm curious, you can slap me for this.

If you don't want to share your opinion/vote when it is asked for then why bother sharing it at all? The whole point of voting is to put your opinion out there, just because it is minority doesn't mean it should be held back. Minority votes still matter as then it is known that some people feel a certain way. The majority may get their way, but the point of all this voting is to know the full spectrum of what people think.

If by that logic wouldn't only the majority voters vote while no minority voters turned out?

Curious or something. :)
wolffit
Jun. 14th, 2005 08:48 pm (UTC)
My political opinions are shared rarely. When it is shared, it's usually been provoked. Think of my sharing opinions like a K9 howling and making a buncha other K9's howl at the same time.

I'll go years, many years, without so much as lifting a finger to see what's going on politically. I didn't even know what a democrat was until a couple of years ago! It's when my close friends (pack) voice a dissenting opinion about something that want to step in and try to help. I want to solve the problem. Any problem. But I'm woefully inadequate to do so on many of the problems my fellow companions suffer from. So I get frustrated and walk away. Maybe I'll pass judgement on whatever the issue is, earmark it for taking a stand on it later if I'm ever in a greater position to influence it directly. Remember what happens if you taunt a malamute with a toy and then hide it for a while later?

"Minority votes still matter as then it is known that some people feel a certain way. The majority may get their way, but the point of all this voting is to know the full spectrum of what people think."

I think some people would disagree with that, because they vote for different reasons. Some people vote to win. Those in the minority are hoping that if they can convince, using whatever means, more of the majority to see things their way, they can themselves become the majority.

It probably largly boils down to how much in the minority we're talking about. If it were a case of 40/60, then the minority voters probably see a chance of success. If it's a case of 2/58/40, then the 2% minority are probably not expecting to win, but to simply make their voice be known. Perhaps the 2% are voting to take away votes from the 58%. Then there's the "lesser evil" mentality.

Overall, there can be many reasons to vote. Just as there can be many reasons not to vote. Mine are mostly because I just don't feel much in common with society. I have wildly different goals, desires, morals, ethics and priorities.

- Keman


hydra_velsen
Jun. 14th, 2005 09:07 pm (UTC)
I have to agree with you here. My political views have recently taken an extreme swing to the left. Finding out I'm in love with a guy after having been a republican for the last 25 or so odd years can do that to you. this puts me in a predicament since alabama is roughly 38% democrat party. So far in the minority that my views mean nothing. Locally my views mean nothing. I'm in the minority on every level. the only level I'm in the majority on is the worldwide level, which the US doesn't seem to recognize.
dogcandy
Jun. 14th, 2005 09:17 pm (UTC)
I dunno where I fall with the whole voting thing but I do as I can see where the canidates or arguments are made and try to go with the one I agree with most or against the one I dissagree with most. There has never been a time and likely will never be a time where I can fully agree or dissagree with anything which goes to a vote. It's more a gradient.
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spraguedoggy
Jun. 14th, 2005 11:01 pm (UTC)
Your reasoning is flawed because it fails to take into account the effect your vote has on other people and future contests, not to mention how it moderates how politicians act while in office.

If everone in a minority followed your reasoning, then the power of that minority is diminished further as they receive fewer and fewer votes, causing even fewer people to vote that way next time, etc.

Also, politicians do take into account the overall political spectrum when making decisions, even if for the most selfish reasons. By not making your voice heard, you reinforce the conservatism of your area and make it seem that a candidate can only succeed by appealing to the dominant base-- not yours.

Moreover, the tone of your post is that you don't feel entitled to your opinions. With that kind of attitude, don't expect people to respect you or your views. Why should I even consider what you have to say if it's a) doomed and/or b) not compelling enough for you to bother to vote?



kyhwana
Jun. 14th, 2005 11:58 pm (UTC)
The problem is, what if none of the candidates are suitable?
What if they are all against something(s) that you're against?. You might have guy C who you'd like to vote for, except he's anti-issue A. There are a bunch of other people who you could vote for, but they're all pro-issue B, while you're anti-issue B. So what can you do?
wolffit
Jun. 15th, 2005 12:00 am (UTC)
Run for office.
spraguedoggy
Jun. 15th, 2005 12:17 am (UTC)
Decide which issue is most important to you, or which combination of issues is the better fit, then vote for that guy. Or gal.
wolffit
Jun. 15th, 2005 03:20 am (UTC)
If everyone jumped off a bridge, there wouldn't be anyone to vote. If everyone followed my reasoning, then stuff like democracy would become unimportant. Everyone is not like me, and everyone has much much different ideas than I do.

For example- I'm pro-abortion because I don't really care about the fact that it is killing unborn kids. Born or not, it makes little difference to me. As far as I'm concerned, it takes 20 years to make a 20 year old, and it takes exactly 6 months to make a 6 month old fetus. Which is easily replaceable? ... This has nothing to do with womens rights, and it has nothing to do with religion or the definition of when 'life' is conceived.

"Moreover, the tone of your post is that you don't feel entitled to your opinions. With that kind of attitude, don't expect people to respect you or your views. Why should I even consider what you have to say if it's a) doomed and/or b) not compelling enough for you to bother to vote?"

What's ironic about this, is that you've already heard my opinions and have written them off. You already demonstrated that you don't respect my views. It's ironic that with you I don't feel I am entitled to my opinion, but I have not said that I'm not entitled to my opinions even once. I've said that I'm uninterested in expressing them via voting, and trying to make them work in the current political system because I feel it would be a waste of my time.

Society to me is like a train wreck. I wanna look away but all I can do is stare. I find myself feeling that I really don't want a part in it very often. I have some selfish goals and desires, and it ends there. The rest is just finding ways to get those goals. When I'm looking at the people around me? I see a bunch of folks getting along with lives that are nothing like mine.

- Keman
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