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Jun. 8th, 2005

Last night I finished Khyle's av in SL. It's pretty f'n hot. I should post pics ... the last stuff I posted to the LJ showed pics of me in SL that are really /nothing/ compared to what stuff I make looks like today. I use multiple layer textures now with selective transparent areas to add depth to fur, etc. I've also had a vastly improved avatar base to modify thanks to Luskwood's engineering.
Last night someone made the comment of "Well,
actually, making fur in SL is easy to do." ... I just shrugged, didn't feel like getting into an argument. Making fur in SL is not easy at all. We're dealing with a relatively low resolution texture skin applied to a 3d model which stretches the skin in a variety of unfriendly ways. Covering up seams is a tedius chore that requires a case-by-case customization because every av is differently shaped, height, etc. What everyone else does is to use a solid color in those areas and sketch in the outline of fur at the color transition areas so that the contrast between the two appears fluffy.
So far I've not seen any actual -fur- textures in
the game aside from the stuff Decca and I figured out how to produce. There is a secret behind that construction-- a secret that will eventually get out. Since I'm not in this for making Linden (in game cash), I don't really care and in fact when "real" artists figure out my method, we'll probably start seeing some incredible stuff get banged out. Till then, I'll enjoy the limelight and really have a blast building some artistic skills.

At some point in the future I'm going to make my own version of a prim based K9 head/muzzle. If it comes out anything like the recent.. private.. stuff that I've made, well ... Luskwood's gonna have some serious competition. IMO the trick in SL is to plan the prims with the textures, and use them both to achieve the appearance. Lusk makes great prims but since they're using solid colors on all the prims, they're going to be stuck in the 'cartoon' world. A new version of SL is around the corner offering about 50% more texture resolution available-- that's something I can immediately monopolize on but is a waste if you use a solid color.

Food for thought...

A few years ago the movement on gay rights was
sufficiently strong, what with gays in popular tv shows, commercials, etc, that whenever I saw a product that showed a man and a woman, I could -feel- the general public giving a sensation of "Hey, that's just a man and a woman. What about gays?" ... it was during this time that I felt things were on the move, because movies STOPPED using words like Fag ... it wasn't 'cool' to use anymore, and created dare I say.. public outcry.

We aint in Kansas no more Toto. I'm afraid those years have passed, and we're right back to Ribbed for HER pleasure.

A lot of people who otherwise weren't interested in deciding on the whole gay good/bad issue have off and turned on us. The homophobes were already vocal. They already were bashing us. This didn't change their mind at all. No, somewhere in this attempt to get marriage, we just turned a bunch of people against us.

On the up side, the ones that have turned against us weren't homophobes with a vested interest to try and make our lives a living hell to begin with and they're not that way now either.

- Keman

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doniago
Jun. 8th, 2005 03:26 pm (UTC)
Miss seeing you on Furry. I've thought about showing up on SL a couple of times, but I've already made some LJ entries concerning my reservations about that, and I've more than once been given the impression that the people who I'd go on SL to see would be too busy for any sort of meaningful interaction anyhow...so, no point.

As far as gay rights, I think a significant straight viewpoint was "Well, yes, by all means they should have equal rights....wait, marriage??? WHAT???!!!???"

Yay hypocrisy.
wolffit
Jun. 8th, 2005 05:37 pm (UTC)
Ok. You argued with Galen, now it's my turn to harp SL and attempt toprove it's superiority.

I dare you on the muck to attempt the following:

Quietly stare at someone for 5 minutes, everywhere they go in a room. Make it known to anyone who walks into the room 2.5 minutes into this, that you're staring at this one person, *without* informing the person you're staring at.

Peel off some of your clothes, and put something else on to wear.

Get up and go someplace else, where there are already 10 people in the room having a conversation. In the span of 30 seconds, find out what each is wearing, what they're doing, and who they're talking to and looking at.

Sit off to the side, away from that main group of people. And make it known to any newcomer that joins that you're not a part of the conversation going on and that you're just watching.

Make clear to everyone that you're laying down to doze off and be idle. And make this clear to anyone new that joins.

I bet you can't do a lot of that without typing out a buncha stuff repeatedly, sending private messages to newcomers who haven't read what you typed out prior, sending private messages to other people asking them what they're doing.

What I just described is a piece of cake in a visual environment. That's SL.

The text based medium of communication has it's limitations. Iago, you've mastered those limitations and reached a point where you're fluent with text and poses. The next level beckons. So what if you may not be a master at it in the beginning...

I myself would love to see what you could do with all the stuff that SL will enable you TO do. And it'd be nice to *see* you there too.

- Keman
doniago
Jun. 8th, 2005 10:54 pm (UTC)
"Ok. You argued with Galen, now it's my turn to harp SL and attempt toprove it's superiority."

You're not going to ever prove it's superior to the mucks, only different from them, AFAIC.

"Quietly stare at someone for 5 minutes, everywhere they go in a room. Make it known to anyone who walks into the room 2.5 minutes into this, that you're staring at this one person, *without* informing the person you're staring at."

Why would I want to?

"Peel off some of your clothes, and put something else on to wear."

Morphs. Descriptive poses if necessary.

"Get up and go someplace else, where there are already 10 people in the room having a conversation. In the span of 30 seconds, find out what each is wearing, what they're doing, and who they're talking to and looking at."

I'll give that to SL, but normally I don't look at many furs when I walk into a crowded room anyway. Ultimately I'm more concerned with what's inside the person than with what they look like anyway. Plus...well, what does an avatar really tell you about someone?

"Sit off to the side, away from that main group of people. And make it known to any newcomer that joins that you're not a part of the conversation going on and that you're just watching."

Wouldn't that basically be...not saying anything?

"Make clear to everyone that you're laying down to doze off and be idle. And make this clear to anyone new that joins. "

Anyone can check your idle-time.

"I bet you can't do a lot of that without typing out a buncha stuff repeatedly, sending private messages to newcomers who haven't read what you typed out prior, sending private messages to other people asking them what they're doing."

As indicated, a lot of it you can at least roughly approximate on a muck.

"The text based medium of communication has it's limitations. Iago, you've mastered those limitations and reached a point where you're fluent with text and poses. The next level beckons. So what if you may not be a master at it in the beginning... "

I don't think substituting graphics for text qualifies as the next level, just a parallel level. I suck at art and I don't see myself improving at it anytime in the future, whereas I'm a skilled writer. Let's see...which of these media appeal more to someone skilled with writing but bad at art?

Graphic mediums have their limits too.

"I myself would love to see what you could do with all the stuff that SL will enable you TO do. And it'd be nice to *see* you there too."

Then, when you see me online and you'd like to see me on SL, tag me. And thank you for the curiousity. (scritch)
wolffit
Jun. 9th, 2005 10:12 pm (UTC)
Superiority implies valued priorities. To say that I will never prove it to you says you've closed your mind to it, that your priorities will never change, and that SL will never change. Pretty tall order there.

Why would you want to stare at someone? For the same reasons people do in real life.

Morphs, Descriptive poses. Ok, that was a weak attempt on my behalf.

"I'll give that to SL, but normally I don't look at many furs when I walk into a crowded room anyway. Ultimately I'm more concerned with what's inside the person than with what they look like anyway. Plus...well, what does an avatar really tell you about someone?"

Maybe you don't right now because it's too tedious? What's inside may be more important, but what's outside gets you noticed. An avatar tells you a lot about someone. It tells you what (in the case of furry) gender and species they are, what they're wearing or lack thereof, and anything else that is shown. I'm typically naked 'cept for the fur, I've got a few piercings as well.

"Anyone can check your idle-time."

Yes but what is the difference between being idle for a couple of minutes and being away/asleep? There's no setting for that which I'm aware of. You could be idle watching a conversation and look just as "away" as someone who truely is 'away' ...

"As indicated, a lot of it you can at least roughly approximate on a muck."

Roughly approximate, yes.

I think what it boils down to is... the text based muck can roughly approximate real life x amount, and SL can roughly approximate real life by a much larger quantity, since it's now adding everything you can do with text and adding a visual aspect to it.

"Then, when you see me online and you'd like to see me on SL, tag me. And thank you for the curiousity. (scritch)"

You still have an SL account? Not sure what you mean by tag you. If you do, I can look you up. I've been very busy lately, effectively running two jobs ... working during the day, and making people stuff on SL at night. It's getting time for some R&R so... I will.

- Keman
doniago
Jun. 10th, 2005 02:16 am (UTC)
"Superiority implies valued priorities. To say that I will never prove it to you says you've closed your mind to it, that your priorities will never change, and that SL will never change. Pretty tall order there."

You will never convince me that SL is inherently better than a muck, no. That, to me, is equivalent to comparing an apple to an orange. One is not _better_ than the other. They are just different. You can, however, convince me that SL is worthy of further investigation, and perhaps even get me to like it more than the mucks. But you will never get me to say it is _better_ than the mucks.

I generally don't stare at people in RL.

""I'll give that to SL, but normally I don't look at many furs when I walk into a crowded room anyway. Ultimately I'm more concerned with what's inside the person than with what they look like anyway. Plus...well, what does an avatar really tell you about someone?"

Maybe you don't right now because it's too tedious? What's inside may be more important, but what's outside gets you noticed. An avatar tells you a lot about someone. It tells you what (in the case of furry) gender and species they are, what they're wearing or lack thereof, and anything else that is shown. I'm typically naked 'cept for the fur, I've got a few piercings as well.""

Well, it depends why I'm entering a room...if I'm entering for chat then looks are irrelevant. If I'm entering hoping for a hookup I usually run a wixxx to find someone who interests me, then I look at them. It doesn't matter how hot a guy is if you're not going to get to touch him...other than in terms of aesthetics.
Since it seems a lot of SL'ers don't create their own avatars, I'm not exactly sure what the avatar tells me, other than what they chose to make themselves look like.
Looking and reading a desc. was never tedious to me...unless it was very boring and showed poor grammar, in which case I didn't usually read it thoroughly. :) Finding gender and species...well, I've got that wired to a function key, so it's not significantly worse than actually looking at them IRL.
Ultimately I'm not interested in someone who's going to be hanging around me for my looks. It would be worse if those were manufactured (by other people) looks, as I wouldn't even be able to really take credit for them. At least when I write a description on a muck it's an extension of me and my creative energies.

I basically fail to see how looking at an avatar is necessarily better than reading a description, except for the more instantaneous gratification, and less active use of imagination.

"what is the difference between being idle for a couple of minutes and being away/asleep? There's no setting for that which I'm aware of. You could be idle watching a conversation and look just as "away" as someone who truely is 'away' ..."

The difference is in their idle-time...I'll assume someone's coming back for 10 mins. or so...after that I assume they're _probably_ gone for good. If they're definitely asleep, they're disconnected. :)

BTW, some would argue that if the point of going onto a muck is to escape RL, than you wouldn't necessarily want to go someplace that better approximated it.

"You still have an SL account? Not sure what you mean by tag you. If you do, I can look you up. I've been very busy lately, effectively running two jobs ... working during the day, and making people stuff on SL at night. It's getting time for some R&R so... I will."

I mean tell me you're on SL and would like to see me, and if conditions permit I'll stop by. But I won't be too pleased if you're surrounded by 20 other friends, or too busy to make me feel welcome...I'll more wonder why my being there mattered to you.

Hope you get some free time again sometime.
khyle
Jun. 8th, 2005 03:49 pm (UTC)
*smiles and snugs a wuff* Yes... The job you did on my avatar is f'n sweet! I thank you so much for helping me put that into a visual form on SL! :) I can't wait to go out and show off in public what you've done for me. ^_^

The stuff you've already done with yourself, and Galen looks awesome too. You have done very well with getting fur textures and getting very real looking fur on avatars that looked good to begin with, but then you go and improve upon that. I mean I can't wait to see what you could bang out yourself with making prim heads and stuff if you ever go that route... Till then I am so very happy with things as they are and with how you helped to get my TRUE character onto SL, because I've tried like Furcadia and can't really get him out visually at all. This has been a blast working with you to get this done.

I personally wish that people would stop persecution of gays, but truthfull it's a bit of both sides. Gays have been pushing things in people's faces about they are proud to be who they are and truthfully I believe love spans gender and such. We do though have to live with society and unfortunately society isn't exactly all that kosher with that particular lifestyle... So what people need to do is to just wait it out, and let society become more accepting... *shrugs* But thats me... :> I will shut up now.
pathia
Jun. 8th, 2005 04:00 pm (UTC)
I finally got SL working, though I haven't done much with it yet. I am not an artist in any way shape or form.

As for the fallback, unfortunately from my viewpoint and experience with my own family is the gay movement went 'too far'. My parents are actually now more bigoted than ever, because they felt threatened by the bombardment of gay lifestyle on TV and the news. My own situation of course only makes it 1000000x worse too, as 'they've seduced me!' ;-)
bikercheetah
Jun. 8th, 2005 08:35 pm (UTC)
Fight back, then.. Well, you don't actually have to fight, but you sure as hell don't have to take shit from homophobes.
dogcandy
Jun. 8th, 2005 09:58 pm (UTC)
Hrmph.. the gay rights thing will have to go through the same sort of deal women did, it won't be done quickly, people will oppose it. Best thing is to take it calmly and rationally. Being to extreme will only make those made uncomfortable by it more unwilling to give in. It will happen, but it will be a slow process and that is probably what is best to ensure the least resistance.
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