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As seen on CNN.com:
Cartoon Protests Turn Deadly

*laugh*

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kj_roo
Feb. 6th, 2006 07:44 pm (UTC)
The whole planet has gone insane...
bennmorland
Feb. 6th, 2006 08:30 pm (UTC)
Not really. We already knew that the Middle East is extremely religious and conservative. One of its basic tenets is to ban the likenesses God or any of the prophets from being produced. Granted, Christian nations aren't exactly as pious as these Muslim countries, but back when Christians did give a hoot about their faith, this would be like someone raping the Pope or proclaiming Jesus a crazy rogue rabbi with not an ounce of divinity in him.

We shouldn't be surprised by this reaction. It certainly was expected by anyone with any knowledge of Islam. Ergo, since it was expected and could be considered "normal", disregarding the abnormal circumstance, it cannot be insane.

However, it is refreshing to see a flag other than the Star-Spangled Banner and the Union Jack being burned. I just wish that the Danish embassy in Beirut hadn't been stormed and burned.
hastka
Feb. 6th, 2006 11:28 pm (UTC)
Plenty of Christians still give a hoot about their faith, they just know how to manage their emotions in more productive ways than burning flags and setting fire to buildings.

We shouldn't be surprised by this reaction. It certainly was expected by anyone with any knowledge of Islam.
Witness the irony. So, "we shouldn't be surprised that muslims started to riot, burn buildings, burn flags, and yell hateful slander." So, in effect, "we should have KNOWN that hardcore muslims were going to react violently. Why? Because they're hardcore muslims, of course!" Which brings us right back to bomb-shaped turbans, doesn't it.

If there's a group of people who in the 21st century can be "expected" to riot and pillage if something untoward is published about them, I'm sorry... that's juvenile at best, and frankly appalling at worst. I think that's where the "surprise" of the west comes from.

I mean really... "You know what would show Denmark how wrong they are stereotyping muslims as warmongers? A bunch of muslims who riot, set fire to their embassy, and burn their flag!" Personally, I'm not angered so much at their actions as by the abject stupidity displayed.

To say nothing about how bunches of places already apologized. If this crap keeps up, unfortunately *legitimate* muslims are going to start seeing *actual* backlash from others.

Regardless of how evil the cartoons were, they don't warrant riots. And if "we should expect that because they're hardcore muslims", well, I think that's no less demeaning and slanderous than the cartoons. Don't scapegoat for them. What they're doing is morally and ethically incorrect and completely unwarranted.

Don't mean to pick on you as the messenger, so sorry if it comes off that way :) I've heard this same belief from a number of people and I still have a hard time seeing blame resting on anyone other than the rioters.

Yes, it is a hotbutton issue for me, sorry ;)
bennmorland
Feb. 9th, 2006 04:16 am (UTC)
Wow. You completely misunderstood where I was coming from, probably because other people really are being shits toward Muslims who actually live by their faith's tenets. I don't want this response to read like a line-by-line rebuke; I don't mean it that way at all. However, I would like to point out what I think you misunderstood, quote the parts of your post that make me believe you misunderstood me, and then try to clarify my actual position.

First, I wasn't meaning to imply that there are no pious Christians. I simply meant that we would be hard-pressed to name one household-name nation that is predominantly Christian erupting into civil dissent over a foreign country printing sacrilegious cartoons. It is the collective "Christian" countries that I said were no longer pious, not Christians in general.

I wasn't condoning the behavior of the rioters. I wasn't scapegoating for them. I was, however, relating my own lack of surprise at the situation's unfolding. 'Surprise' should be differentiated from indifference -- I'm friggin' irate at the rioters, as they are giving their faith a bad rep. when they pillage and assault in its name.

I was insensitive when I implied that "anyone with a knowledge of Islam" shouldn't be surprised by the riots. What I meant to state, and failed in doing so, was that we shouldn't be surprised that a pictorial representation of Mohammed offended Muslims. Separately, we shouldn't be surprised that several Muslim nations' citizens would assume that a Western country's newspapers echoed their governments' policies. (I'm quite skeptical of Syria's, Iran's, and Afghanistan's journalists' ideological independence from those in power in their respective homes.) This being their paradigm, it is understandable that they'd demand from the Danish government an apology for the actions of a few editors -- and from every other government whose presses ran the cartoons in the course of covering the controversy. BUT there's a world of difference between "understandable" and "excuseable". It is inexcuseable, attacking an embassy (an act of war, coincidentally), no matter what your beef is with its superior officers.

So, I hope this shows you that we are, in fact, in agreement. At least, on most of the points we both made.
hastka
Feb. 10th, 2006 01:08 am (UTC)
Yup, I believe we are. Thanks for your patient explanation to me. :)
bennmorland
Feb. 10th, 2006 02:17 am (UTC)
No problem! I believe that most conflicts have to do with misperceptions and misunderstandings. If I can avoid a conflict based on such false impressions, my patience is (nearly) limitless. :D
offthewall234
Feb. 6th, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
That's silly...
cerisewolf
Feb. 7th, 2006 05:14 am (UTC)
It's not funny when you have to pull a pistol to get your vehicle through the crowd.
dogcandy
Feb. 7th, 2006 08:44 am (UTC)
Overall it seems they feel it is right to kill, violate others beliefs, break international laws and treaties over cartoons of which only a few are terribly insulting. This is the cartoon that started a lot of trouble -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons

It's an effect that snowballed itself, perhaps partially getting the reaction desired or maybe showing that people are predictable. If they had peaceful demonstrations or wrote letters it would be better, this just fed further distaste and gave the world recourse against the middle east. Attacking an embassy is an act of war.
hastka
Feb. 8th, 2006 12:22 am (UTC)
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that angle, hehe.
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